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Post details: Very Wrong, Only 17, not "50 Beautiful CSS-Based Web-Designs in 2006"

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Very Wrong, Only 17, not "50 Beautiful CSS-Based Web-Designs in 2006"


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Comment from: evan [Visitor] Email · http://evaneckard.com
i thought the post was based on visual design... i never said my site was standards compliant.
PermalinkPermalink 01/24/07 @ 17:16
Comment from: Jeff Croft [Visitor] Email · http://jeffcroft.com
My site is 100% standards compliant, and I state on the site that I don't try to support IE6 on my personal site. Why? Because it's my personal site, and I can do that.

http://jeffcroft.com/about/

Who cares if a site is standards compliant or not? The point of the article you reference was that sites were beautiful and CSS-based. All 50 were. The point was not that they were standards-compliant and worked perfectly in every browser, and no one claimed they did.

Get over yourself, and stop being an asshole. No one likes a douchebag.
PermalinkPermalink 03/18/07 @ 09:24
Comment from: Jeff Croft [Visitor] Email · http://jeffcroft.com
By the way -- this page doesn't valid AND is horribly ugly. Mine validates and looks great. So really, who the hell are you to talk?

Don't throw stones...it just makes you look dumb.
PermalinkPermalink 03/18/07 @ 09:31
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
"Who cares if a site is standards compliant or not?"

Smile ...

It should also be -"this page doesn't
validate ..." Or "this page is not valid ..."

Calm down you are sounding like a spoilt child.

No need to get upset over a critique.
It is simply my opinion and that is all.

Peace!

Markan.
PermalinkPermalink 03/18/07 @ 20:13
Comment from: Jeff Croft [Visitor] Email · http://jeffcroft.com
You pointing out typos is predictable. Just as you are picking apart people's personal sites for no good reason, you're picking apart my comments instead of seeing the big picture.

All of the sites you list are great sites, making sincere efforts towards standards compliance, CSS-based design, and great visual design. Why are you picking on them?

If you really need to bash someone for their standards compliance, lack of CSS layouts, and poor visual design in order to feel better about yourself, might I suggest any one of the thousands of major corporations that aren't even trying? You could start with Microsoft. Seems to me these guys who are making no effort at all would be better target for your attack than individuals who are doing their best.

Personal sites are personal. They don't need to be compliant. They don't need to be accessible. They're personal, and by that very nature, they can be anything the individual creating them wants them to be.

Web standards zealots are annoying and don't help the cause one bit. And that's coming from someone who co-authoed a book with "web standards" in the title. Standards are not everything. Seriously, get over it.

By picking on the little guys who are trying their hardest when the big guys aren't even bothering, you come off like an asshole. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
PermalinkPermalink 03/18/07 @ 22:47
Comment from: Tony [Visitor] Email
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole basis for this post is that these nice-looking sites break when you resize the browser windows to well below useful browsing width (and that some of these sites don't look identical in different browsers)? So what? Does anyone browse at that width? What you've done here isn't a critique, it's trolling. If you want to talk about design and beauty and standards compliance and usability, why don't you start with critiquing your own site? You can start by fixing the typos in your own article. Then you can work on fixing your URLs. Then maybe you can work on the visuals.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 08:30
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
Dear Tony,
Yes People Browse at that width and use different web browsers on different OSes and Platforms, and the Internet is not only about The United States of America The Great Nation with White People who know everything, there are millions of people in Europe, Australia, Africa, Asia et al that use the Internet too!

Did you not know? The Internet is not America alone but spans the entire globe with people using 800x600 resolution and using 56k dial-up modems.

Jesus Christ!

Alas my site is only for friends, my site sucks and there is no design, it is private, it is not a showcase to make money and brag and boast about how good I am an American Designer in hopes of making big bucks and wanting to be someone, I don't need to critique this web site blog. I don't write for profit, no Google ads. My postings aren't meant for ones who have not a clue about anything.

Take care.

Peace!

Markan.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:08
Comment from: Tony [Visitor] Email
Those screen shots show windows resized well below 800px wide. So save your vitriol for someone else.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:19
Comment from: Shawn [Visitor] Email · http://www.shawndryden.com
Um...50 Beautiful CSS-Based Web-Designs

Let's see...there's 50, they're beautiful, and they're CSS-Based. Not sure what your arguing.

It's not the 50 Beautiful works in all browsers at 100px wide CSS perfect web-designs.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:20
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
And also people browse the web on mobile phones, PDAs and other devices too. So I don't really understand what you are talking about.

No wonder the Great United States of America is killing innocent children an adults in Iraq and watches as Israel commits war crimes and then sees Iran as radicals and an evil nation that should be demolished!

Peace!

Markan.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:24
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
The Kansas State is upon me. My Apologies Dear Gods of the United Staes Of America for having an opinion based on ojective design criteria of which I deem is relative.

Peace!
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:31
Comment from: Shawn [Visitor] Email · http://www.shawndryden.com
Dude, did you really turn a web-design argument into a political/war argument?

Seriously....wow...you mean in your brain people commenting on your article links up to another part of your brain about world politics and war?

I am standing in my office and clapping. Honestly that is unbelievable. Bravo.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:32
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
Dear Shawn, It was never a web design argument. It was a critique and an opinion based on what I believe. Until I started being bashed and called Asshole not once but many times.

How else to respond but politcally as that is what it seems to me. There has not been one sensible comment by anyone debunking my critique in an adult manner until this point. How else should I interpret it other than political?

As most of the post are KS, American. I don't see any Aussies or Asians posting hate here.


Peace!
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 09:43
Comment from: Shawn [Visitor] Email · http://www.shawndryden.com
I would say design includes the functionality, it is not just the visuals. That is why I would call it a web design argument.

You were called an asshole because your article/critique is bashing people for trivial reasons not because we are Americans and you are not (I guess). Your screen shots show your browser at what appears to be 300px on top of the full screen site. These sites are not meant to be seen and are not seen at that size.

"And also people browse the web on mobile phones, PDAs and other devices too."
No one on a phone is browsing web design company sites. That is not what people look up on phones. If they were they would make a phone specific site. Also the majority of people these days use resolutions in excess of 1024px.

I personally don't even know where you are from. Your location doesn't change how I feel about the subject.

PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 11:55
Comment from: Jeff Croft [Visitor] Email · http://jeffcroft.com
I was afraid I was being harsh in calling markan an asshole easier on in this thread. I even apologized to him in an e-mail. Turns out, he's more than just an asshole. He's a troll. Let's just ignore him.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 12:16
Comment from: Tony [Visitor] Email
Markan,
You didn't post screen shots of what these sites look like on mobile phones or PDAs. I'm not in Kansas. I haven't posted any insults directed at you or anyone else. I haven't called anyone an asshole. What I am doing is calling you out for a post based on faulty logic that derides the hard work of others for no good reason and to no benefit of anyone reading this article. When confronted with this, you resort to broad political statements, while knowing very little about those you are accusing.
PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 13:05
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
"Also the majority of people these days use resolutions in excess of 1024px."

Majority of what people? North Americans? Where is your data to back it up?

I will state again that there are other people around the globe that use the Internet and access it using less than the resolution of 1024px.

Asia has the largest Internet Usage with 398,709,065,
Europe with - 314,792,225, North America is third with 233,188,086.
Latin America and the Caribbean - 96,386,009, Africa -33,334,800, Middle East - 19,424,700, and Australia/Oceana - 18,439,541

From experience of having lived abroad and in Asia for many years, most access the Internet from Internet cafes that support less than favourable high-end Computer systems with 15" monitors and if 17" monitors the default is mostly 800x600. If from home they are using the basic PC setup with 15" monitors and resolutions of 800x600.

I will also say I did not deride the work of others by simply saying that the designs broke in IE AND FF2. I actually posted the screen shots as a way in which these designers could easily see the problems and correct them accordingly. If I was only berating their work why would I take the time to evaluate each and everyone of the sites?

Alas from the point that the other 17 websites rendered perfectly without errors in these broswers, does it not show that something is indeed wrong technically with the other web sites?

I will go further as to say to check your sites you should use FF2 with the Firebug Plugin and it can assess the markup that FF2 does not render or ignores. Most times it is simply 2 lines of code that broke the majority of the web sites that I looked at.

I have to get to the office I am late.

Peace!

Markan.


PermalinkPermalink 03/19/07 @ 17:43
Comment from: Arik [Visitor] Email · http://www.arikjones.com
What a dick-face. I'm sorry man, but you have no idea or clue of what you're talking about. You basically defaced beautiful standards-based designs for no reason other than to push traffic.

Well now you've created a nice little brand for yourself.

"Asshole Design, Inc." ?

Sounds like a great company name to me.
PermalinkPermalink 03/21/07 @ 07:46
Comment from: markan [Member] Email
Okay I will rest my case here and make one last comment. As it seems there is a deficiency of the mind with regards to comprehension of the context of this critique/post.

One question. Why does the other 17 web sites work flawlessly on every platform without error and the other 33 screw up?

Doesn't that tell you something? Isn't there something wrong with these 33 websites while the other 17 work perfectly across all platforms?

1+1=2

Anyone who debunked this critique as being bias or ignorant has a real problem with regards to comprehending English or is simply dumb/anal.

Peace!

PermalinkPermalink 03/21/07 @ 09:03
Comment from: Pilok [Visitor] Email · http://www.pilok.com
Ah ah ah ah ah!!!!

Please, be a bit serious. You take time to kill my work by saying it is not compliant and you don't even try to know why the hell I have used the frameset!!!

You did not even noticed that Smashingdesign made a mistake with the url (they wrote www.quatuour.be instead of www.quatuor.be) so I just bought the domain www.quatuour.be to be sure not to break the link.

By the way, Quatuor is compliant and it is STRICTLY impossible to be both 100% compliant and 100% cross-browser compatible.

So, please, next time you will want to criticize some work, do it properly. I really appreciate suggestions, criticism if they help me to progress but the way you did it is not fair!

Have a great evening.
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